Das ist absolut Dein Recht...Kannst Du ja handhaben wie Du willst.Zitat von Inaktiver User
Aber ich denke, jeder sollte für sich selber entscheiden mit wem er Kontakt haben möchte, oder nicht....ohne von anderen für seine Entscheidung "veurteilt" zu werden. Zudem denke ich das die Art und Weise wie und warum man "ausscheidet" auch eine sehr große Rolle spielt.
Nena79
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Thema: Strangthema: Zeugen Jehovas
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19.05.2008, 12:02
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof
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19.05.2008, 18:48
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Das ist nicht das gleiche in grün. Es ist ein Unterschied, ob ICH entscheide, mit wem ich Kontakt haben WILL oder ob das eine Institution/Kirche oder was auch immer entscheidet und ich mich dieser Entscheidung beugen muss. Das erstere ist Freiheit, das letztere Bevormundung und Zwang.
Zitat von Inaktiver User
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Ein Gespräch setzt voraus, dass der andere recht haben könnte. Jürgen Habermas
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21.05.2008, 08:21Inaktiver User
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Eine meiner Großtanten ist eine Zeugin Jehovas, ebenso ihr inzwischen verstorbener Sohn, der, weil er schwul war, die Zeugen Jehovas verlassen mußte. Meine Tante war immer hin und her gerissen zwischen der Liebe zu ihrem Sohn, und dem, was von ihr erwartet wurde.
Zitat von Alinaluna
Ich glaube, dass es vielen dort so ergeht.
Und ich finde es schrecklich, wie Menschen deswegen leiden müssen.
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24.05.2008, 00:24Inaktiver User
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Eben war ich auf der Internetseite ehemaliger Zeugen Jehovas, die zeigen, wie dreist bei denen gelogen wird, wenn es um Päderasten geht:
In my opinion Watchtower's worst fanatics are ever bit as dangerous. Silentlambs.org notes:
In a press release dated October 15, 2007 the following was stated (by the Watchtower Society spokesperson), that in their 100 Year of history only 9 Elders were sued for child molestation.
At that timeSilentlambs pointed out over 3,500 Elders and Ministerial Servants had been reported as molesters to Silentlambs.
3,500/12,300 = 29% however some are not elders but ministerial servants so the percent of pedophile elders may be only 20% or one in five of whom maybe only one in twenty at most (that is an estimation of 5% or so) have also been reported to police and sentenced to prison.
PEDOPHILES' PARADISE. CRISIS OF PEDOPHILES IN AN AMERICAN RELIGION.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/157701/1.ashx
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24.05.2008, 13:59
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Das findest du aber - leider - in allen denkbaren Gemeinschaften und auch außerhalb jeder Glaubensrichtung. Kindesmissbrauch ist scheußlich und ungesetzlich - kein Wunder also, dass keine Gemeinschaft dazu steht, dass Mitglieder aus ihren Reihen sich solcher Vergehen schuldig machen. Sie negieren, lügen - alle (!) oder verschließen zumindest gern die Augen.
Ob es wohl dem objektiven Blick dient, hier anzusetzen? Ich finde, wir sollten fair bleiben.
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24.05.2008, 14:36Inaktiver User
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Das bin ich!
Zitat von Blickwinkel
Kirchen und Sekten behaupten oft von sich, anders (besser) zu sein. Und ich messe sie an dem Maßstab, den sie selbst in der Öffentlichkeit setzen. und bei ZJ ist es so, dass sie die Täter schützen, und die Opfer oft seelich vergewaltigen, in dem sie den Opfern die schuld geben.
Sicher, das geschieht auch anderswo,aber hier reden wir über ZJ!!!
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24.05.2008, 16:01
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Liebe Pir-anja (witziger Nick übrigens)
Zitat von Inaktiver User
sie geben den Kindern die Schuld an dem Missbrauch der mit ihnen getrieben wurde?
Ich kenne solcherlei bisher von Vergewaltigung, Raub etc. - bei Kindesmissbrauch kam es mir noch nie unter... (???)
Ich bin ziemlich sicher, dass derartige Verbrechen die unrühmliche Ausnahme, nicht aber Normalität bei den ZJ sind. DESHALB finde ich es nicht fair
oder wiegt die Lüge der ZJ schwerer als die der Katholiken oder anderer Gruppierungen?
Trotzdem behältst du in der Sache selbst wohl recht - auch die ZJ leugnen, weil nicht sein kann, was nicht sein darf....
Nachsatz: ist deshalb die kath. Kirche (als Beispiel da in der Sache gerade im Gespräch) mit der Sekte der ZJ gleichzusetzen oder sind beide gleich gefährliche Sekten und ihre Anhänger alles andere als harmlos?Geändert von Blickwinkel (24.05.2008 um 16:06 Uhr)
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24.05.2008, 20:00
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
"Ich kenne solcherlei bisher von Vergewaltigung, Raub etc. - bei Kindesmissbrauch kam es mir noch nie unter... (???)"
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Kommt oft genug vor. Beliebte Ausrede: "Die wollten das doch auch. Die Initiative ging von ihnen aus."
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24.05.2008, 20:22Inaktiver User
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Eben!
Zitat von corvus
Es geht mir hier nicht um den einzelnen Vergewaltiger, egal, in welcher Kirche, Sekte oder Institution ist. Sondern darum, was ich einmal in einem Artikel las, was über einen Missbrauchsfall bei Mormonen berichtete:
A Provo woman, Elaine, reported that after years of struggling alone, telling no one about being sexually abused by her father, she finally went to the stake president, with whom her father had served on the regional high council. His response was that he did not see how he could possibly judge events between her and her father. He therefore had to assume that her father was "an honorable man" because he held a high church office. She must be wrong, she was told.
Jamie had suffered guilt and self-hatred all her life. Intensely religious, she says for years she tried to tell bishops and others in the church of her abuse but she was always told to forgive and get on with her life. "I would go to church and feel different from everyone else and totally unworthy. I couldn't ask for a temple recommend. I tried to fade into the background." Recently she has finally found ways to express and process her feelings about the abuse through the help of her current bishop whom she says is supportive and understanding of her needs.
Kate who grew up in Salt Lake City, was repeatedly abused by a ward member between ages 7 and 9. Her sisters were also abused by this man. No one came to their aid. Years later, Kate and her sisters entered therapy to deal with their abuse. One day when Kate's sister attended an LDS temple session, she was horrified to see their abuser serving as a temple worker.
She also learned that this man was serving as a volunteer with children at a local hospital. She called the hospital and reported him to personnel there. He was discontinued as a volunteer at the hospital. Kate and her sister wrote to this man's bishop and explained the situation. They were told that they should forgive and forget; the bishop took no action against the man.
The Event [March 20 - April 10, 1996], Salt Lake City, UT
Was diesen Mormoninnen geschah, geschieht auch bei Zeugen Jehovas. Geschieht überall dort, wo eine mit Angst und Scham besetzte Sexualität praktiziert wird, und wo Männer,- denn meist sind die Täter Männer,- Macht haben, die sie Frauen verbieten.
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24.05.2008, 20:53Inaktiver User
AW: harmlose Zeugen Jehovas?
Hier ein Artikel vom May 2007 über etwas, was bei ZJ geschah. Die dick markierten und unterstrichenen Stellen sind von mir:
Jehovah's Witnesses Settle Abuse Cases By ROSE FRENCH Associated Press
A victims' rights group released documents Thursday that showed the Jehovah's Witnesses recently settled civil suits with 16 people who claimed they were sexually abused by church elders or that church officials failed to act on abuse allegations. The group, called silentlambs, held a news conference in Nashville to demand that the denomination change its policy for responding to sex abuse reports.
Settlements were reached in late February and early March, according to court records obtained by silentlambs and posted to the group's Web site. Fourteen of the cases were filed in California; the other two were in Oregon and Texas. Details about the settlement terms could not be disclosed under confidentiality agreements negotiated between the parties, said Stephen Owens, a plaintiffs' attorney involved in the California cases.
Other cases are still pending, according to silentlambs, which couldn't say how many.
The Jehovah's Witnesses, whose headquarters are in Brooklyn, N.Y., said Thursday that they were pleased to see the lawsuits resolved, declining further comment. "Our loving heavenly Father makes it clear in his Word, the Bible, that he abhors child abuse," a statement from the denomination said. "As an organization, we will continually strive to educate families and congregations with sound Scriptural teachings that they can use to protect their children from child molesters. And we will continue to do our utmost to protect children from this horrible crime and sin."
William Bowen, silentlambs' founder, was a Jehovah's Witnesses elder from Kentucky who quit the denomination after he said it took no action against a molester. Bowen said the settlements were bittersweet. "On one hand, we're glad a few victims are finally getting some financial help," he said. "On the other hand, we're sad and worried because they've essentially been forced to give up their right to protect others by speaking out about their abuse to the public."
Bowen's group has criticized the Jehovah's Witnesses' policy that if an accused abuser denies the charge, two credible witnesses are required to establish guilt -- due to literal application of such Bible verses as Deuteronomy 19:15 ("only on the evidence of two witnesses, or of three witnesses, shall a charge be sustained"). If two witnesses are lacking, the accused is deemed innocent, charges remain confidential and -- silentlambs says -- parents who warn others are subject to disfellowshipping for slander.
Disfellowshipping is an extreme penalty that means a total cutoff of relationships by family members, friends and business associates who are Witnesses. There are about 1 million Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States, and followers are known for distributing Awake! and Watchtower magazines door-to-door.
Bowen also said Jehovah's Witnesses have a long-standing policy of not reporting molesters to police. He claims that the denomination has a secret database of accused abusers that they have not shared with law enforcement officials. "They keep putting innocent kids and unsuspecting families at risk of horrible crimes because they value their secrecy and reputations more than they value children's safety," Bowen said.
Since establishing silentlambs in 2001, Bowen says about 7,000 people who claim they were abused have contacted his group. Angelique Taylor, 42, a silentlambs member from St. Louis, said she was molested by a Jehovah's Witnesses elder when she was about 12. Taylor said she told her father, who was also an elder, and he said she was making a big deal out of nothing. "I want every elder, every Jehovah's Witness, whenever they suspect any abuse, they go to the police and tell them about the problems," Taylor said. "The devastation of sex abuse is unbelievable."
___ Associated Press reporter Allison Hoffman in San Diego contributed to this report.
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